idea for a better rewarding system for wh members and artists both

sorry for the errors of writing!

1- Once I thought on similar idea and even thought suggest about it but ultimately realised its a flawed plan for some rea***s

A) That implies artist attention and lets be honest 99% of artist here are just to get paid, really low amount of artist would participate most likely, WHentai is faw away from having an actual community which is the only way a system like that could work
B) Some artist may do some cheesy tactis like only fave selected/close people for them, giving this users advantagers over some other

2- That generate the same problem with the current reward system, artists could give likes to anyone comment just to win ev to itselfs and not actually to reward good comments, overall making pointlesss the artist vote

3- Honestly I dont know why VIP members are not allowed to participate, that always sound wrong to me, like literally this people do more for the site than all the spammers and yet are this last ones the ones who get prize for doing absolute nothing beneficial for the site, literally since the reward system begins, real people stop participating (Mostly due the horrible notification system that doesnt work anymore) so now 99% of the comments made in Whentai are completely empty and soulless almot copy and paste with slightly different words for majority of the time and likes are never real ones, I prefer having 5 faves if are legits one than 20 if all comes from spammers

Wow, nice to see I'm not the only one writing long poems ^^

Mindinside's idea would be a very nice first step that would also ensure artists don't have their works clogged up with similar sentences or pre-built ones (usually including the name of the character or series or even reusing the tags/title is enough to generate a "human" sentence). The only motivation for commenting or liking should really be if the user liked a work/commission or wants to encourage the artist.

Limiting likes and comments for "karma" scoring is a must - unless I am mistaken, there is no real hard cap on comments at the moment, only likes (there are more than enough recent works to "strategically comment" right before the weekly update - "strategically" feeling quite off on the ethical side of things here, because the community is supposed to spend more than a couple seconds, or minutes, if they really like an artwork piece). While a change would obviously not change anything for freeloaders who already achieved VIP status in record time (and only affect new contenders), since it will be slower but also limited, there will also be less stress on the servers, and those members will also be *****d to allow others to have a "VIP membership trial".

There is no perfect solution to this, but keeping it as obscure as possible (for example by not displaying the score at all) will make it much harder to game the system and instead contribute either financially or objectively to WH's growth, by being an active part of helping the artist community as a non-artist, contributing to existing commissions (much like the current idea system, but also rewarding the extra efforts of the artist) and so on.

The next option, which will likely be favored by all, would just be to disable it altogether and restrict it solely to EV purchases (at the risk of becoming a huge money toss competition), though again, all accounts that have benefited from the current system will have an unfair advantage (which probably includes all accounts older than a week having actively participated in the lottery).

If this isn't classified information, Josuke, what fraction of WH's income (that allows for infrastructure maintenance, artist payouts, etc) do ads and content partners currently generate? If the main lottery holders end up never buying EVs at all, that won't really benefit WHentai in the long run, even if they still have to use EVs as VIP members (and then refill them, currently using a cyclic method).

TOFUK's idea (on Josuke's blog) from 2020 still stands, though whether it ends in a "how much can you afford and are you willing to spend to flex" competition is another story... It would definitely benefit WHentai, of course, but it has its drawbacks as well.

An AJAX refresh option on the blog would be nice for ninja situations for super long posts too haha.

Pedroillusions has a nice point. I can confirm that *after* learning about the lottery system, almost no one will genuinely like a recent work, since works are produced too slowly (it takes time and effort to draw things and that is a lot of work unless that's pure copy and paste) to generate the user's precious "karma". If they liked it fair and square, then they sacrificed potential points without being aware of it. And calling it a sacrifice just feels wrong, really, they should be more concerned about having motivated a hard-working artist (or someone who's genuinely trying; even lower quality works displayed on WHentai have some redeeming value, and definitely more than a bunch of words or "naruto one piece" "chainsaw man" making the artist go what the hell just happened if they aren't used to it) by giving them an unique thumbs-up.

Which is one more rea*** to completely hide the toplist on the server's side, out of reach of anyone but the administration. If no one knows how well they fared and are pleasantly surprised to find out they were properly active to get a top spot, then that will motivate them to keep doing it that way. Randomly changing things and preventing "streaks" would also ensure everyone gets there eventually (barring undetected multi-accounts and similar kinds of communicating accounts, but that's a different story).

Sorry for the long poems and the grammar mistakes!

i think a rotative system could do the trick (winners of week 1 coudn't participate of week 2, the winners of week 2 couldn't go for week 3 and so on) this would ensure to always rotate winners so every one would have a chance

The karma system is the way it is not great overall, but your way would't be a upgrade and i guess you missed the point of the system.

Its there for free members to win EV to become VIP members, once they are, the only way to generate fresh EVs is by buying some.
(So Whentai hopes to profit from it in the long run)

The system now is for free members only and spam comments and like pictures. Work = Reward by a neutral system.

They commit with there time on the website (If the spam bot stuff don't arise yet again)

Your system would just remove a neutral work = reward system from free members and turn it into something random and a corrupted popularity contest.

You can't let people who decide also to benefit directly from there decision.


Such like systems exist on webcam sites.
A webmodel like/rate members.
There are also contest for webmodels.

Do you know which models/members win them?

The very same few ones each week.
Why?

Members with the most money spread it around on the site, every models wants that money so they like them.

and well some models are simply more popular then others.

well if they are expecting for them to turn vip they have to make something about certaing things, i have saw some people that won 100 evs lots of time and they were already with an status of (almost vip 800+) but they never got to a vip status at all, so theres something wrong in it right? how can someone that is almost vip win 100 evs more than 3 times but not turn into a vip strange right!

You don't get EV's as reward. You get an code as reward, which you have to redeem in order to get EV's.

If you don't redeem the code there are no Ev's in your balance.
The system to VIP member count only the EVs you have gained on that account.

So if they win and win and don't use the codes, they can stack it, give the codes to others, sell it or whatever else you can possible do with such a promo code.

The question is if the code have a expiry date., otherwise they can stack it possible to infinity and gain more then 1000 Evs in an instant once they redeem all the codes at onces.

well i don't want to say the name of the per*** in question but i checked his member page and he already had payed 12 commissions the total amount of evs the 12 commissions have acumulated is 1.100 but there he is not a vip (like if he never reached the total amount yet) the last commission he payed is about an year ago, about the codes i think they do not expire!

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I don't understand why commenting pictures you call spamming ... I think that, for example, on Facebook you comment on photos
your families, friends, will you also call it spamming? For me and I think most spamming is when user:
a. write random comment, for example "Black Clover" - I see comments like this on a regular basis
b. keeps pasting the same comment - I remember there was a user who wrote under each image: "nice image"
c. pastes reflinks

If anyone wants to see real spamming of comments, have a look at the home page and see the activity of Feetlover10005 user...

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Mindinside,

Sorry, but your ideas are, as other users wrote, not well thought out. The current karma system is ok in my opinion. The karma system is a very good motivation to be active on the site. If I changed something, I wouldn't count likes to karma. I've had these situations several times that I've been active in the comments all week. Then some user does spamming 'likes' in a few minutes and suddenly I'm out of the top 3...

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Pedroillusions,

``now 99% of the comments made in Whentai are completely empty and soulless ''

I completely disagree with what you wrote. Empty in the comments would be without us commentators. It is thanks to us here is no empty in the comments, just some life. You write that ''now'', that is, I understand that you did not think so before karma? I like writing, but also reading comments and watching archival images and reading comments in them, I don't see much difference in the level of comments to currentliest. I understand that comments like "super", "hot" (just such short 1-3 words were once the most) were already full and with soul to you?

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Comments should contain rea***s of why people like/hate the picture, suggestions of what the artist should improve, maybe discussion of the anime/serie, jokes about, something that someone else could reply back, have you never see youtube comments for example? I mean I probably expecting much of almost dead porn site but you cant negate that these comments were made with the pure intention of earn karma

haha you specially searched for these comments to fit your theories xD
Well sometimes it's hard to write something original, if for example there are several versions of the same commission ... If you have been browsing / following my comments, you have certainly seen that I am trying to write different comments. For me, my comments (you wrote 99% of the comments on whentai, so I understand you meant me too) are not 'empty and soulless' comments, because I am writing what I think.

Overall, I understand what you mean. However, you must understand that everyone has their own style of commenting and you cannot require users to write what you want to see. Whentai, this is fortunately not Russia, where is imposed what you can / can't write. If user not to spam with one comment everywhere (like this week's Feetlover10005 for example) then I don't see a problem.

I wouldnt call that a "search" I literally only have to check my last 10 submissions, if I even search (which I not gonna do) its safe to think I would find hundreds to thousand of similiar messages...

Yeah, honestly, the system for non-VIP users to get Free EV's just doesn't work how it is now. You could put in a lot of hard work to get in a good position, then some rando can come in, spam likes and trash-tier comments, and knock you out of your spot like it's no big deal. I'd stepped away from this site for over two years, and even with a TWO YEAR BACKLOG OF SUBMISSIONS, I STILL couldn't keep the #1 spot when I came back. That should tell people something about the problem.

Pedroillusions perfectly understood the difference between the three kinds of comments: pure robot spam, extremely quick hit-and-run for karma (deactivated VIPs' favorite method as yes, deactivated VIPs can still get karma to reactivate it and lo and behold, repeat it by simply not claiming the codes for obvious rea***s) and actual reviews.

@DanteHentaiLover Good point. As you probably understood, the codes don't expire and many multiple accounts (against the terms of service) have yet to be detected and tied to main accounts or communicating ones. Now assume one of those accounts is an artist account that can also withdraw the EVs if the codes don't even check for who redeems them. Nothing exactly suggests they are account-bound (they really should have been since day one). If they don't expire but are bound, they can still be stockpiled until the next reactivation cycle.

@Nero Yup, at least you have accumulated over 300 EVs. Keep trying or just purchase the rest, really, it'll be faster. If people wanted to seriously game this system, all they'd have to do would be to create accounts (their only one, remember, we're going with the terms of service) and then simply like the most recent works and comment on enough of them, starting with the older ones of the ones that actually count. Funny, right? Then old users who took a break would still get kicked by, as you said, "randos".

If those non-paying users do take the time to write actual reviews (like, you know, the elements of the picture/animation/game you enjoyed, what the artist should work on, and so on) then you'd better hope not too many users will be going for a hit and run or you might not even be in the top 15 at all, let alone the top 3 (with 17 users just here for "better luck next time" each week). Sure, you run out of things to say after a while. But then you just don't comment and drop out of the list instead of polluting the works.

Add to this the irony of buying EV packs in the hopes that they will outscore someone who never bought a single EV yet is a deactivated VIP this way, and failing to do so. That must be pretty jarring to the per*** who literally spent money just to compete in a free player contest where the only rule is anything goes as long as it is within the terms of service.

Even if this were to be fixed somehow, it would still mean it had been blatantly *****d for quite a while. Feels really bad for the creators who have to skim through all that junk, and it definitely won't get any better. Probably best for them to hide the comment field altogether.

I guess I'll buy the remaining EVs because I refuse to comment with variations of "great sex, it's hot" on every single work. That's insulting to a creator who spent hours, days, weeks or even months on what they uploaded.

- DarkNano

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Feetlover10005,

You made my day! Haha
It's very funny that a user who for the last 1.5 years, when he was active, only spammed likes and pasted one long comment everywhere, writes about spamming others.... If I were you, after your next spamming last week, I would be quiet in this topic.

2. Coming back to main topic, I add 20-35(so 2-5 one day) comments a week. Is it so much? I think that I am even more active on other sites, such as Facebook. As I wrote earlier, I try to add different comments, which can be seen, for example, here:

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If someone thinks my activity here is spamming then I don't agree, but ok, I understand that everyone can have their own opinion.

That's all I wanted to write on this topic.

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Feetlover10005,

Ehhh, this is my next and last comment to you and on this topic in general, because I'm starting to do real spamming under Mindinside's post ...
I don't know anymore if you are seriously writing it all or if it is trolling. I comment on what I see in picture, while you mindlessly and massively paste the same comment, probably without even looking at the pictures. If you seriously, you don't see the difference between your activity and my activity on the site, this is your problem... If I were doing what you are doing then I would have no problem admitting to spamming, what is spamming for me, I wrote before.

Pictures, which I comment I watch on before, I can also see those that are paywall, nopublic view. However, they are in very low resolution. What is this magic way? I will not write because he respects the works of artists and does not want to deprive them of their earnings. If you think he is lying, send me a link with a random picture on a PM, it will show you that I can see picture normally.

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Pedroillusions,

I have thought over your suggestions and I think it is true that my comments could be more qualitative and elaborate. I even have an idea how to change it !

Don’t Trust Mindinside